Nov 29, 2019
This week on the podcast, Dan
Neumann is joined by Che Ho! Che Ho is leading an agile
transformation for the County of Santa Clara, California. He also
recently got certified as a Scrum Master Professional through Agile
Alliance. And, fun fact: He’s also a martial arts instructor for
Wing Chun! He’s been studying it since he was 10 and has been
teaching it now for 20-odd years.
Speaking of martial arts, the
topic today directly relates to it! Shu Ha Ri is a concept that
comes from Japanese martial arts’ kata (AKA forms) and is a
fantastic tool for Agile coaches in their approach to agile
adoption. In this episode, Dan and Che Ho are completely breaking
down the concept of Shu Ha Ri to make it just a little more
tangible.
Key Takeaways
What is Shu Ha Ri?
- ‘Shu Ha Ri’ is not levels, nor
is it a self-contained stage that you go through
- The description of Shu Ha Ri
comes from Japanese martial arts’ kata (AKA forms)
- Shu Ha Ri is similar to a
pyramid; each phase supports one another and one cannot exist
without the other
- It’s simply a way to look at a
maturity level which can help with agile adoption
Breaking down Shu Ha
Ri:
The ‘Shu’ phase:
- Shu is when you first start
learning (it’s essentially like learning the alphabet and how to
put things together)
- Where you learn the
‘why’
- The time for getting
comfortable with the rhythm of things
The ‘Ha’ phase:
- Ha is about playing with the
techniques and stringing them together in your own unique
way
- You can begin to personalize
within the framework
- You can move off script as the
framework is internalized
- Motivation comes to light at
this phase
The ‘Ri’ phase:
- Ri is the ‘ultimate mastery’ —
it’s described as the phase where the form no longer matters (it’s
a ‘formless form’)
- It’s more of a lifestyle — it
becomes so ingrained in you that it just becomes the way that you
are rather than something that you do
- The activity becomes
organic
- Through this, you create ways
that are uniquely yours and you can become playful with
it
- A lot of experimentation can
signify a ‘Ri’ level of maturity
- Ri is when you become so
comfortable with what’s going on that it just becomes you; and
you’re free to innovate, create, and experiment
How to address resistance to Shu
Ha Ri:
- Firstly, don’t take it
personally —
as Che Ho says, “They’ve honed
their habits over decades to get to the success where they’re at
now — so of course they’re going to resist changing
it!”
- Address the ‘why’ for the
change
- Remember: it takes
time
- You can only get so far
studying by yourself but a coach helps you get
great
- A study group can be a form of
coaching if they are focused and have their intention set for
growth and change
Che Ho’s key
takeaways:
- Shu Ha Ri is a way to bring
people to the same understanding
- Be sure to have patience with
the change
- Celebrate the small wins along
the way
- Instead of trying to achieve
something, Shu Ha Ri should become an internalization and part of
your being
Mentioned in this Episode:
Che Ho's LinkedIn
Profile
Agile 2019 Conference
Wing Chun
Shu Ha Ri
Bruce Lee
Coaching Agile Teams: A
Companion for ScrumMasters, Agile Coaches, and Project Managers in
Transition, by Lyssa
Adkins
Alistair Cockburn
Kata
Woody Zuill
Agile Coaches’
Corner Ep. 45: “The
Benefits of Mob Programming with Chris Lucian”
The Agile Manifesto
County of Santa Clara
Nonviolent Communication (Approach by Marshall
Rosenberg)
Che Ho’s Book Picks:
Say What You Mean: A Mindful
Approach to Nonviolent Communication, by Oren Jay Sofer
Resilient: How to Grow an
Unshakable Core of Calm, Strength, and Happiness,
by Rick Hanson Ph.D. and Forrest
Hanson
Pocket Guide to Interpersonal
Neurobiology: An Integrative Handbook of the Mind,
by Dr. Daniel J. Siegel M.D.
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