Sep 18, 2020
We have a special repeat guest
on this week’s episode! It’s Barry Matheney. He is a Senior DevOps
Consultant and one of Dan’s colleagues at AgileThought.
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So often, teams operate on a
“get it done” model and try to push their code out the door as
quickly as possible, but that is not sustainable and not the
markings of a high-class professional team. Barry understands the
Scrum Teams’ main mission and purpose is often very wrong; it’s to
appease the product owner, not create purposeful and meaningful
In this week’s episode, Barry
shares his thoughts on when it’s time to hire a DevOps coach for an
organization, some of the troubles organizations run into (problems
with easy fixes!) when it comes to their Scrum Teams, and when you
know when your team is on the right track in their DevOps
What’s the working definition of
- It’s about delivering better
value, sooner, safer, and happier.
- The difference between Agile
and DevOps’s motto is the definition of what “done” truly
- True North for DevOps means
there are a continuous delivery and a continuous
- If you have some DevOps
influence in what you’re doing, you’re on the right
What are the best ways a Scrum
Team can get started?
- Typically, when a Scrum Team
gets started, the sole focus tends to be delivery of stories. AKA,
making the product owner happy.
- Most product owners don’t care
about dashboards or reliability. However, they should. The scope of
a product owner should include the production world, as
When do you need a DevOps
- It’s a tough answer. It depends
on the team composition.
- If you have a junior team, they
won’t have the experience to know the consequences of bad
- The journey begins as soon as
you begin production.
- You build resiliency by
delivering something that cannot fail, something that was built to
last. That takes planning and continuous development. Junior teams
might not be thinking in these terms just yet.
How do you know when you should
be leveraging DevOps?
- What times do your deployments
occur? If you deploy them during off-hours, then something is
- Deployments should be normal
working events and not interruptions to your life.
- Do your organization’s security
teams always seem to be diving into your business?
- You can provide compliance and
proof to your security teams you’re on the right track and have
thought about all the possible security risks.
- Anything that happens should be
- You don’t need to manually
tinker in production.
- Software teams want to get
things out the door, but that’s not operating at a professional
- The transformation is not about
your scrum team. It is an organizational
What’s the distinction between
an Agile coach vs. a DevOps coach?
- Agile coaches plant the
- DevOps coaches can help build
the prototypes together and experiment with different
- DevOps coaches give a
continuous approach and re-examine practices that were put into
place 10 years ago that may not be relevant now.
- DevOps is an organizational
challenge, not necessarily a team challenge.
- Waste is bad, so you need to
either scrap the project or get it into
- Remember, DevOps is a
Mentioned in this Episode:
Would you benefit from a
DevOps Coach? free download
“Virtual Community: Building an
Agile Mindset During COVID-19”
Barry Matheney (LinkedIn)
Podcast Ep. 17: “Embedding DevOps
in Large Organizations, with Barry Matheney”
Podcast Ep. 12: “The Importance of
Embedding a DevOps Skill Set into Your Team”
Podcast Ep. 4: “Setting Up Working
Agreements with Christy Erbeck”
Podcast Ep. 2: “What is a
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